torch

I'm wondering whether in general, a 19 20 or a 20 19 torch for the same class is worth more. Just in case there is a difference in preference between classes, I'm asking for amazon, sorc and paladin. Ideally the answer is a consensus that covers all similarly. My example could also be 18 20 vs 20 18, etc. So max stats or max res?

Some people prefer resistances over attributes. Others don't care.
It is quite rare to find someone that prefer attributes over resistances.

So you can ask for 19/20 a bit more than 20/19.

That's the kind of answer I was looking for, thank you!

Is there an option I can use to get notifications from posts in threads I'm involved in? I have all boxes checked and get nothing from the forums.

@Ymp iirc Account prefs --> Posting Defaults --> Notify me upon replies by default: Yes

Wow, indeed! Wasn't expecting to solve this I'll be honest, after having ticked every checkbox in the notification options and this never working for me since I started using the site years ago. Thanks, now I wait and see if it actually works.

20/19 is worth more , alot more due to pvp budgets stats > res, the difference between 20/19 and 19/20 are almost thrice the price.

Take ptorch as an example, on current market a ptorch 20/19 is worth 14

Ber, 19/20 is only worth 4

Ber , 20/20 is 38

Ber

Alright, interesting thanks. That's 1 for team res > and 1 for team stats >. Do you think perhaps it's different between some classes? That's the scenario that would surprise me the most, but who knows.

On another note, atari! The darn notification didn't work. While I did find those settings, and I did have it set to no, that I change to yes and applied the changes, I got nothing when Naitsirk posted. Just happened by for the purpose of checking this out actually. Not sure what else there is to do.

I would also rate stats > res because res becomes useless once you reach max res (except for conv enemies and lower res but even if you consider that there's a maximum). On the other hand stats always gives you more life (through vit and indirect because you can save points in str and dex)

@Ymp my bad that setting is only for forum posts and price check is considered trade ( diablo2.io - Trade - Price Check). Guess you have to bookmark the price checks you're interested in.

Ymp wrote: 2 years ago

Alright, interesting thanks. That's 1 for team res > and 1 for team stats >. Do you think perhaps it's different between some classes? That's the scenario that would surprise me the most, but who knows.

On another note, atari! The darn notification didn't work. While I did find those settings, and I did have it set to no, that I change to yes and applied the changes, I got nothing when Naitsirk posted. Just happened by for the purpose of checking this out actually. Not sure what else there is to do.

Its the same for all classes, here you won’t see it though, on jsp everyone values stats over res same on traderie where PvP market exist because the res becomes useless in PvP where you will have x10 19/-20life/11res scs for any matchup and different setups where you wan’t to overstack res. This is why 19/20 is alot cheaper than 20/19.

Res are only valued early ladder resets.

@atari It wasn't working for any forum thread or this one at the time of my last post, while trade ones worked.

It does however work now, a logout and in fixed it it seems. You did fix my issue in the end with what you suggested, it just didn't actuate immediately. Thanks

I too valued stats > res for personal use on all my unique charms on all my toons, but in agreement with mockingbird, I noticed that in trades the max res ones are value higher by others. Then Naitsirk turned that around, and now I guess it's stats 2 res 1. I still see 19 20s asking for more than 20 19s in some cases.

I wasn't considering this site, and I only look on jsp for info but I don't use it. I was basing it on traderie experience, but it may have been a niche case. Max stats always made sense to me because it's easier to plan gear and its str req knowing that you get 40 from charms.

Tend to favor stats over res as well, as long as I get 75 all (or if my char is built for Uber Meph needs more LRes).

Consequently my Sin and Necro have more stats than res, while my Zon using a Sunder favors higher res to negate the Sunder effect.

Before Sunders, Stats > Res was rather true. Today, less, even if PvP will clearly favor stats as they stack res only for specific opponents (e.g. against cold sorc you need more than 300 CRes I think).

Anyway, PvP high end users have 20/20s so they don't care .

Cheers for the input, I'm starting to piece it together. Slowly.

I agree, for high end PvP there is no question stats > res. They have 20 20s anyways, and are stacking 100s of one res as well, so the question is kind of irrelevant there.

It's more a question of what's worth more to those higher middle class, that are looking for a 1 off perf item they can afford to finish off their char (mostly for PvM).

Also I do think now that there is at least somewhat of a difference between classes, as a pala like mentioned doesn't have to offset a sunder as often as a zon or sorc. They also have higher res usually from gear and talents even if they do use a sunder.

Well, it is sometimes opposite because Naitsirk is about PvP and I am about PvM.
That is normal because you don't want the same things for PvP and PvM

It really depend on personal reference and many other factors.

More stats means more damage (melee) and life => stats
Paladin and barb can easily

Cap res => stats
My ES sorc don't need res, she need mana and life => stats

I want to use a full skiller inventory so it is hard to

Cap res => res
I don't use

Monarch so Enigma MP give enough str to for gears => res
Can be lowered res and/or

Conviction aura => res
Many final gears don't give me res but stats => res
I can choose to put stats after respec while I can only get res from gears => res

Yep, many factors and considerations.

Here is something interesting for everyone to contemplate, a fun fact from a recent trade. Remember we set out to determine what the worth of a 20 19 and 19 20 torch were compared to one another. There are many factors yes, but in the end, on average one IS worth slightly more than the other considering everything.

So here it is: In a recent trade, someone, on another site (won't bore you with the specifics:), chose a 19 20 ama torch for 14

Jah, over a 20 19 for 10

Jah. Both were available at the same time with set prices. This doesn't prove anything, in fact I still lean towards stat > res, but this was an interesting win for res.

For me, after respec. Things would be.
* Put enough points to stats for gears.
* Fill the inventory with Skillers, torch, anni.
At this state, usually I need more res so I have to choose among res, damage and mf for my boot, rings and sc slots.
That is why I usually want res from torch and anni to be able to use SoJ/bk/

Raven/nagel, war trav and mf sc.
More life won't hurt but I die rarely with bis gears already (mainly from souls, dolls or my stupid decisions).

All makes sense.

I think if I redid this thread, I would ask people how they would distribute 15 points on their base 10 10 torch. 20 15, 15 20, or 18 17... It'd be interesting to see the different plans. It seems there are many approaches.

Aah also, how do you do a poll? Is it possible here on the site? Just a simple binary A or B poll.

For the torch in general 20/15 except if my build would need more res to reach max res.
For the poll if you make a new forum discussion there is an option to make a poll on the bottom left side between attachments and advanced.

Oh lookie what I was able to edit into this thread. Could have had the poll up since the start :I