Hydra vs Fireball

vued wrote: 6 hours ago

leox wrote: 3 days ago

ganseng wrote: 3 days ago

thanks.. with optimal i mean like uber / p8 killer

so theoretically an orb with 3/3/3/20fcr and 2 facets (including one new uber facet) would be possible?

3/3/3 is around 3/18 Temper
20 vs 40 fcr
2 facet vs 1 facet


in practical, magic orb is bad. you are choosing between 20 fcr or 1 extra facet

simple solution is id and sell it, all rare magic ob lost and very hard to sell.

Nope.

With 3/3/3 OP meant 3 tree skills, 3 main skill, 3 mastery. I.e. 6 to main skill and mastery.

This is the best you can get but those rares are extremely rare.

And yes, 2 sockets are max for rares, even if the base item could have more.

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

vued wrote: 6 hours ago

leox wrote: 3 days ago

3/3/3 is around 3/18 Temper
20 vs 40 fcr
2 facet vs 1 facet


in practical, magic orb is bad. you are choosing between 20 fcr or 1 extra facet

simple solution is id and sell it, all rare magic ob lost and very hard to sell.

Nope.

With 3/3/3 OP meant 3 tree skills, 3 main skill, 3 mastery. I.e. 6 to main skill and mastery.

This is the best you can get but those rares are extremely rare.

And yes, 2 sockets are max for rares, even if the base item could have more.

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

vued wrote: 6 hours ago

Nope.

With 3/3/3 OP meant 3 tree skills, 3 main skill, 3 mastery. I.e. 6 to main skill and mastery.

This is the best you can get but those rares are extremely rare.

And yes, 2 sockets are max for rares, even if the base item could have more.

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

hmm how did he get to 40k

Fireball? i have like lvl40 and it only does 20k. no facets though. or are facets dmg multiplicative to

Fire Mastery?

ganseng wrote: 2 hours ago

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

hmm how did he get to 40k

Fireball? i have like lvl40 and it only does 20k. no facets though. or are facets dmg multiplicative to

Fire Mastery?

Facets and inv. full of skillers (lvl 45 fire ball).

On the reddit thread, they said that they took the dmg from the d2planner; might not be actual dmg in character screen

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

vued wrote: 6 hours ago

Nope.

With 3/3/3 OP meant 3 tree skills, 3 main skill, 3 mastery. I.e. 6 to main skill and mastery.

This is the best you can get but those rares are extremely rare.

And yes, 2 sockets are max for rares, even if the base item could have more.

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

2/3/3 20fcr 1os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os
2 all skill vs 3 all skill = -1 all skill
3/3 vs 1 all skill + 20 fdamage = 0.5 - 1 skill beat
20 fcr vs 40 fcr = -20 fcr

equal fight
1os vs 1os
mana vs energy

0.5-1 skill+defense status vs 20 fcr trade off...
I feel that rare orb is a loser today. afterall it is 2020 weapon...

the first image, he use rare circle...that compare with perfect flicker...

I have feeling that both build will have exactly same performance. Regarding not much monster will fall in gap that one can kill and the other cant

As for 3/3/3 2os, I think you are right, 10% have difference, it is big gap , some boss might have 1 second difference.

and 2 skill difference...that you can get it by not use fire sunder and not take cube, if you play that feel same...your damage probably exceed what you really need....

leox wrote: 1 hour ago

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

leox wrote: 5 hours ago

I run the max roll again to see difference... (it has to be magic, cannot be rare)

3/3/3 20fcr 2os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os

3/3/3 vs 3/20 = 2 all skill beat ~ 7% more fire damage
20 vs 40 fcr = 20 fcr lost
2 os vs 1 os = 1 facet beat. 5/5

My guess, in good setup it is 10% damage vs 20 fcr trade off.
damage view, it is 10 hit kill or 11 hit kill.

Hydra fire, it is quick , yes.

and rolling magic orb is very difficult.

Also in case of rare orb. it is just lost, even if it perfect roll everything, there will be very small chance to equal or slight beat

Eschuta's Temper in defense way. it is because that rare orb can only roll 2 skill. the first 3/3/3 will become 2/3/3 . The perfect roll is 2 os that makes it win around 4% or less and trade with 20 fcr. So actually it consider as lost.

And new jewel even make the situation worse. -res has its limit.

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

2/3/3 20fcr 1os vs

Eschuta's Temper 1os
2 all skill vs 3 all skill = -1 all skill
3/3 vs 1 all skill + 20 fdamage = 0.5 - 1 skill beat
20 fcr vs 40 fcr = -20 fcr

equal fight
1os vs 1os
mana vs energy

0.5-1 skill+defense status vs 20 fcr trade off...
I feel that rare orb is a loser today. afterall it is 2020 weapon...

the first image, he use rare circle...that compare with perfect flicker...

I have feeling that both build will have exactly same performance. Regarding not much monster will fall in gap that one can kill and the other cant

As for 3/3/3 2os, I think you are right, 10% have difference, it is big gap , some boss might have 1 second difference.

and 2 skill difference...that you can get it by not use fire sunder and not take cube, if you play that feel same...your damage probably exceed what you really need....

At lvl 30, it's for PvP. It still rocks today.

oh I see your point, yes , it make sense, not pvm.

pvm , all rare/magic orb lost...

makes me wonder if 3/3/3 works on lv 30..

leox wrote: 1 hour ago

oh I see your point, yes , it make sense, not pvm.

pvm , all rare/magic orb lost...

makes me wonder if 3/3/3 works on lv 30..

Nope. Volcanic (and all other 3 tree skills affixes) have lvl req of 45 (on all: amulet, orb,

Circlet, ...)

Still good for MLD and end gear if you want to maximize for damage.

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 2 hours ago

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

Correct, for 3/3/3 it has to be magic.
You can easily hit 105 fcr with 20fcr (or even 0) in the orb and 10% more damage is huge. Here is an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2resurre ... /#lightbox

2/3/3 went for like 20K FG even with only 1 socket (lvl req 30): https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=83111079&f=355

I have a perf. fire eschutas with a 5/5 facette and still rarely use it. It's good just not BIS compared to what else you can get.

hmm how did he get to 40k

Fireball? i have like lvl40 and it only does 20k. no facets though. or are facets dmg multiplicative to

Fire Mastery?

Facets and inv. full of skillers (lvl 45 fire ball).

yeah but i have Flickering Flame, +3 fire skills amulet and three skiller charms.. also Chains of Honor, rest is the same. so skillwise very similar. doubt the facets make that much of a difference.. unless the

Wand itself has such extreme effect??

ganseng wrote: 1 hour ago

vued wrote: 2 hours ago

ganseng wrote: 2 hours ago

hmm how did he get to 40k

Fireball? i have like lvl40 and it only does 20k. no facets though. or are facets dmg multiplicative to

Fire Mastery?

Facets and inv. full of skillers (lvl 45 fire ball).

yeah but i have Flickering Flame, +3 fire skills amulet and three skiller charms.. also Chains of Honor, rest is the same. so skillwise very similar. doubt the facets make that much of a difference.. unless the

Wand itself has such extreme effect??

Damage does not scale linearly.

At lvl 40, you are at 14K-15K.
At lvl 45, you are at 18K-20K.
At lvl 50, you are at 23K-25K.

The facets don't make that much of a difference. With

Fire Mastery at 45, you are at +338%. With 5 perf. facets you are at 363%.

But to answer your question: I don't know where the 39K-42K damage in the picture comes from.