Hey D2IO,
Starting a new thread here as there were some previous ones touching on this, and while a few of us believed that offline (singleplayer) suggested they would only drop on Herald Tier4's and Tier5's this is INCORRECT.
Who can drop Sunders? ALL TIERS - both online and offline.
Do Tier 4's and Tier5's have a better chance? Yes, due to a specific Sunder TC and a "negative pick" - it will have a chance to roll
That said, the fact remains that Sunders still have a high NoDrop and /playercountx is the most important factor in putting yourself in a good position for Tier4 and Tier5 heralds.
Yes, Tier4's and Tier5's are a premium, also quite dangerous for Hardcore, but the higher the player count, the higher the potential.
So how does it work for Tier1 - Tier3? Surprisingly something interesting.
In short, Tier1 - Tier3 DO NOT have a specific Sunder Table. Instead, they translate from a standard Magic GC going through the games "Quality Checks". Just like how it can roll into a Gheeds, it can roll a Sunder. Your personal Magic Find % plays a large roll here naturally as one would expect. /Playercount and thus NoDrop then does not play much of a roll as it relates to hunting a Sunder in this particular instance.
Many of us who were heavily researching this were working with the information we had at the time based on our own mining, but also real world evidence (signal).
More will be coming out on this soon, be on the lookout, but I wanted to get this in the open.
cc: @ShadowHeart @Schnorki
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Hey D2IO,
Starting a new thread here as there were some previous ones touching on this, and while a few of us believed that offline (singleplayer) suggested they would only drop on Herald Tier4's and Tier5's this is INCORRECT.
Who can drop Sunders? ALL TIERS - both online and offline.
Do Tier 4's and Tier5's have a better chance? Yes, due to a specific Sunder TC and a "negative pick" - it will have a chance to roll
That said, the fact remains that Sunders still have a high NoDrop and /playercountx is the most important factor in putting yourself in a good position for Tier4 and Tier5 heralds.
Yes, Tier4's and Tier5's are a premium, also quite dangerous for Hardcore, but the higher the player count, the higher the potential.
So how does it work for Tier1 - Tier3? Surprisingly something interesting.
In short, Tier1 - Tier3 DO NOT have a specific Sunder Table. Instead, they translate from a standard Magic GC going through the games "Quality Checks". Just like how it can roll into a Gheeds, it can roll a Sunder. Your personal Magic Find % plays a large roll here naturally as one would expect. /Playercount and thus NoDrop then does not play much of a roll as it relates to hunting a Sunder in this particular instance.
Many of us who were heavily researching this were working with the information we had at the time based on our own mining, but also real world evidence (signal).
More will be coming out on this soon, be on the lookout, but I wanted to get this in the open.
cc: @ShadowHeart @Schnorki
Starting a new thread here as there were some previous ones touching on this, and while a few of us believed that offline (singleplayer) suggested they would only drop on Herald Tier4's and Tier5's this is INCORRECT.
Who can drop Sunders? ALL TIERS - both online and offline.
Do Tier 4's and Tier5's have a better chance? Yes, due to a specific Sunder TC and a "negative pick" - it will have a chance to roll
That said, the fact remains that Sunders still have a high NoDrop and /playercountx is the most important factor in putting yourself in a good position for Tier4 and Tier5 heralds.
Yes, Tier4's and Tier5's are a premium, also quite dangerous for Hardcore, but the higher the player count, the higher the potential.
So how does it work for Tier1 - Tier3? Surprisingly something interesting.
In short, Tier1 - Tier3 DO NOT have a specific Sunder Table. Instead, they translate from a standard Magic GC going through the games "Quality Checks". Just like how it can roll into a Gheeds, it can roll a Sunder. Your personal Magic Find % plays a large roll here naturally as one would expect. /Playercount and thus NoDrop then does not play much of a roll as it relates to hunting a Sunder in this particular instance.
Many of us who were heavily researching this were working with the information we had at the time based on our own mining, but also real world evidence (signal).
More will be coming out on this soon, be on the lookout, but I wanted to get this in the open.
cc: @ShadowHeart @Schnorki
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Good work man, I had a suspicion Magic Find played a roll in the new Latent Sunders. Now I need to adjust my Herald Hunting barb to have more MF on him.
Can a T4 or T5 Herald technically drop two Sunders? One for the normal drop table and a second from the special Sunder TC?
Can a T4 or T5 Herald technically drop two Sunders? One for the normal drop table and a second from the special Sunder TC?
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For now I have stopped farming Heralds and only go for collecting statues and shards (and kill some lvl1-2 Heralds on the way). Maybe sometime I buy a latent or renewed Sunder Charm. But for my taste, as a casual gamer, it is currently simply too much effort for too less in return...
For now I have stopped farming Heralds and only go for collecting statues and shards (and kill some lvl1-2 Heralds on the way). Maybe sometime I buy a latent or renewed Sunder Charm. But for my taste, as a casual gamer, it is currently simply too much effort for too less in return...
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Online weekends: casually midday to evening
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Okay, so tl;dr
Tier 1-3:
Tier 1-3:
- Sunder can only drop if the game choose to drop a magic charm from one of the items the Herald drops and decides to make it unique quality (i.e., compete with Gheed's for drop chance).
- Magic find DOES have an effect for this.
- Player count has NO effect for this.
- Sunder can drop if the game choose to drop a magic charm from one of the items the Herald drops and decides to make it unique quality (i.e., compete with Gheed's for drop chance).
- Magic find DOES have an effect for this.
- Player count has NO effect for this.
- Sunder can also drop from a special Sunder Treasure Class, it's a separate drop roll. This has a higher chance of happening than the random magic charm being picked and rolled into unique quality.
- Magic find has NO effect on this. (this is exactly like old sunders)
- Player count DOES have an effect this.
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