Latent sunder charm droprates

Hi and thank you for sharing!
So sunders can actually drop on non-level 5 Heralds, fine.
I had 1 in ~272 in my mind, so 1 in ~91.3 once you're at

Herald level 5 is better than thought - at least for me!

P.S. Found one latent sunder on my very first level 5

Herald kill so far...

I still don´t get why they erased the "old" Sunder Charms. To preserve them would have hurt nobody because you still can go "back" and farm them (I would be OK with the current drop rate of the new ones because they are simply icing on the cake for "dedicated fulltime gamers" ). It only makes it more annoying because you have to have Chars in both worlds and then convert etc....

Queegon wrote: 4 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

I still don´t get why they erased the "old" Sunder Charms. This would have hurt nobody because you still can go "back" and farm them. It only makes it more annoying because you have to have Chars in both worlds and then convert etc....

Exactly what happens now. From what I've read ladder is infested with bot items coming from LoD ladder which are converted to RotW because bots aren't working (for now) on RotW.

You can convert ladder Chars, too? Then this really makes no sense at all, at least to me...

That's what you get when you get advices from yt divas having a personnal agenda.
What annoys me the most is we still don't have official patch notes, we have to relay on players to datamine stuff. Basically we paid without knowing, and we happily paid.
I don't know about USA, but in my country it's illegal to sell anything without full information. People will tell me "dude chill it's only a game", wrong, it's a service you're paying to a compagny recently bought for 70 billions usd.
So yeah, stash management is nice, no need for so many mules, great.
The rest is "meh" at best, at worst, a reason to never play again.
25 bucks for that ? And we are beta testing things ? Didn't realise that D2R was in anticipated access.

If you don't like it, then don't play it. You're just whining because your casual itch for instant gratification can't be scratched. Game is perfectly playable without new sunder charms (i've been killing lvl 5 heralds with my blizz sorc with "old" sunder, albeit somewhat slowly and carefully).

It's like complaining that Griffon's are hard to get - maybe due to how powerful they are, they are meant to be farmed, and not everyone has to have one immediately, but put in some work?

D2 was never intended for casuals in that matter - if you wanted the best items, you had to put in tens of hours in game and hope that the luck is on your side. With all that being said, I wish that the drop rates for latent sunders were improved - but definitely not to the point of the "old" sunders dropping multiple times in an single hour of TZ farming.

About datamining - no game I know was provided with a booklet of drop rates for all items in game - even in "casual" games like Stardew Valley this kind of stuff must be dug out from the game files.

sewcioj wrote: 3 hours ago

Game is perfectly playable without new sunder charms (i've been killing lvl 5 heralds with my blizz sorc with "old" sunder, albeit somewhat slowly and carefully).

As I already said: I have no problem with the rarity of the new Sunder Charms in Principle. But try to remove your current "old" Sunder Charm and then do TZs (especially a complete TZ act). I could imagine that this is not particularly "fun" and "motivating" when you know you only can get a new Sunder Charm with the current drop rate

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

Queegon wrote: 4 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

I still don´t get why they erased the "old" Sunder Charms. This would have hurt nobody because you still can go "back" and farm them. It only makes it more annoying because you have to have Chars in both worlds and then convert etc....

Exactly what happens now. From what I've read ladder is infested with bot items coming from LoD ladder which are converted to RotW because bots aren't working (for now) on RotW.

You can convert ladder Chars, too? Then this really makes no sense at all, at least to me...

Haven't tried that but if you can just convert mid-ladder, removing the old sunders in RotW but not LoD is just beyond daft.

"Hey, if you want the best shot at ruling the RotW ladder on basically any non-lock elemental char...don't play RotW."

Schnorki wrote: 3 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

Queegon wrote: 4 hours ago

Exactly what happens now. From what I've read ladder is infested with bot items coming from LoD ladder which are converted to RotW because bots aren't working (for now) on RotW.

You can convert ladder Chars, too? Then this really makes no sense at all, at least to me...

Haven't tried that but if you can just convert mid-ladder, removing the old sunders in RotW but not LoD is just beyond daft.

"Hey, if you want the best shot at ruling the RotW ladder on basically any non-lock elemental char...don't play RotW."

Exactly my thought. Start in LoD, use old Andy drop rate to farm, get your Sunder and then convert to RotW. Seems legit

oOKIWIOo wrote: 3 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 3 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 4 hours ago

You can convert ladder Chars, too? Then this really makes no sense at all, at least to me...

Haven't tried that but if you can just convert mid-ladder, removing the old sunders in RotW but not LoD is just beyond daft.

"Hey, if you want the best shot at ruling the RotW ladder on basically any non-lock elemental char...don't play RotW."

Exactly my thought. Start in LoD, use old Andy drop rate to farm, get your Sunder and then convert to RotW. Seems legit

Not gonna lie, I did just go "no way. this is too dumb, even by blizzard's standards".
But after proceeding to test it..yup, you can absolutely convert LoD to RotW mid-ladder and stay in ladder.
That really is just a whole new level of stupid.

Same is going on with Dclone right now.

They spawn him in Expansion mode and convert the Annis to RotW for making high profits.

So, RotW ladder players will never see a DClone spawn again. What a colossal mess.

Bravo, Blizzard!

I would laugh, but I simply can't.

Schnorki wrote: 3 hours ago

oOKIWIOo wrote: 3 hours ago

Schnorki wrote: 3 hours ago

Haven't tried that but if you can just convert mid-ladder, removing the old sunders in RotW but not LoD is just beyond daft.

"Hey, if you want the best shot at ruling the RotW ladder on basically any non-lock elemental char...don't play RotW."

Exactly my thought. Start in LoD, use old Andy drop rate to farm, get your Sunder and then convert to RotW. Seems legit

Not gonna lie, I did just go "no way. this is too dumb, even by blizzard's standards".
But after proceeding to test it..yup, you can absolutely convert LoD to RotW mid-ladder and stay in ladder.
That really is just a whole new level of stupid.

Which people will exploit, stupid or no..

And we all know who is to "blame" for this ...

"Removing Mosaic" is imo a joke in comparison...

Time to make a new ladder char I guess..in the correct version this time *cough*

sewcioj wrote: 3 hours ago

If you don't like it, then don't play it. You're just whining because your casual itch for instant gratification can't be scratched. Game is perfectly playable without new sunder charms (i've been killing lvl 5 heralds with my blizz sorc with "old" sunder, albeit somewhat slowly and carefully).

It's like complaining that Griffon's are hard to get - maybe due to how powerful they are, they are meant to be farmed, and not everyone has to have one immediately, but put in some work?

D2 was never intended for casuals in that matter - if you wanted the best items, you had to put in tens of hours in game and hope that the luck is on your side. With all that being said, I wish that the drop rates for latent sunders were improved - but definitely not to the point of the "old" sunders dropping multiple times in an single hour of TZ farming.

About datamining - no game I know was provided with a booklet of drop rates for all items in game - even in "casual" games like Stardew Valley this kind of stuff must be dug out from the game files.

Why don't you get your own medecine for yourself ? Go mod D2 for abysmal drops on a private server if you like it so much. Always the same answer "go try something else if you don't like it" ... DUh Sherlock it is exactly what i will do .. seriously, try with something innovant.

But keep assuming i'm a casual player with no game knowledge. Anyone i helped/traded/played with will tell you otherwise.

So your source of information being only datamined is ok ? You totally missed the point.
I will add this : did your gaming experience improved with this DLC ? Mine certainly not.

Having the option of creating a ladder character in LoD and after farming sunders switching to RotW makes absolutely zero sense, why would they change the way of obtaining sunders if you can still go back and get them like 10 times easier than in the latest expansion.
I'm getting the feeling that nobody questioned or playtested any of the changes, or even gave a little thought.

Hurricanr wrote: 4 hours ago

That's what you get when you get advices from yt divas having a personnal agenda.
What annoys me the most is we still don't have official patch notes, we have to relay on players to datamine stuff. Basically we paid without knowing, and we happily paid.
I don't know about USA, but in my country it's illegal to sell anything without full information. People will tell me "dude chill it's only a game", wrong, it's a service you're paying to a compagny recently bought for 70 billions usd.
So yeah, stash management is nice, no need for so many mules, great.
The rest is "meh" at best, at worst, a reason to never play again.
25 bucks for that ? And we are beta testing things ? Didn't realise that D2R was in anticipated access.

U sound incredibly salty & entitled?

Sounds like newblizz poked a gun on your back, yelling "buy me buy me or else!" and you obliged...even if u didn't like it...

make no mistake, if you generalized "we" you lumped all of us in ....i didn't consent to that..so don't generalize "we" and claim to speak for "us".

Hurricanr wrote: 1 hour ago

sewcioj wrote: 3 hours ago

If you don't like it, then don't play it. You're just whining because your casual itch for instant gratification can't be scratched. Game is perfectly playable without new sunder charms (i've been killing lvl 5 heralds with my blizz sorc with "old" sunder, albeit somewhat slowly and carefully).

It's like complaining that Griffon's are hard to get - maybe due to how powerful they are, they are meant to be farmed, and not everyone has to have one immediately, but put in some work?

D2 was never intended for casuals in that matter - if you wanted the best items, you had to put in tens of hours in game and hope that the luck is on your side. With all that being said, I wish that the drop rates for latent sunders were improved - but definitely not to the point of the "old" sunders dropping multiple times in an single hour of TZ farming.

About datamining - no game I know was provided with a booklet of drop rates for all items in game - even in "casual" games like Stardew Valley this kind of stuff must be dug out from the game files.

Why don't you get your own medecine for yourself ? Go mod D2 for abysmal drops on a private server if you like it so much. Always the same answer "go try something else if you don't like it" ... DUh Sherlock it is exactly what i will do .. seriously, try with something innovant.

But keep assuming i'm a casual player with no game knowledge. Anyone i helped/traded/played with will tell you otherwise.

So your source of information being only datamined is ok ? You totally missed the point.
I will add this : did your gaming experience improved with this DLC ? Mine certainly not.

I don't have to get my own medicine, because I like the expansion, and my experience did improve - even with the idea that I may never get the new sunder charm, and some elements of the expansion could be refined more. Yes, changelog for RotW would be nice. Yes, sunder charms could drop more. Yes, warlock is OP. Yes, in general there's a plenty of things to balance and polish. HOWEVER - I like the fact that the game finally got some new content, and I'm totally fine with that I may never get to experience the whole of it. I'm also fairly certain that balance patches will come, and fix at least some of the things - unlike you (and a lot of people, it seems) I'm patient, and have plenty of things to do in the meantime.

I will reiterate: if DLC is all that terrible for you, no one is forcing you to play it - instead of bitching about it you still can just play "good old LoD" without the expansion, if you hate the changes so much.