How to maximize summon level for Necro?

I'm progressing a summoner necro currently to deal with Ubers and what I want to learn is which way I should choose. I have King Leoric's, Spirit and other necessary stuff but what's the best one can get from a

Wand or shrunken head? Is it possible to get more skills for raise skelleton from a magic

Wand for example? +3 for RS and +3 for summoning skills maybe? Or is the same possible for shrunken heads? I know from amulets one can get max +3 either for RS or SS and magic cricklets can have both as +3.

Anyway, I'm open to hear all about maximizing summoning skills but especially skelly level. Thanks in advance.

I don't personally play necro but my uber partner has one, and especially for running ubers the best item for this build, based on our experience, is a Beast

Axe. The bonus granted to all summons by

Fanaticism largely makes up for the lack of + skills, we really saw a difference in killing ubers since we crafted one for him

Steccothal wrote: 2 years ago

I don't personally play necro but my uber partner has one, and especially for running ubers the best item for this build, based on our experience, is a Beast

Axe. The bonus granted to all summons by

Fanaticism largely makes up for the lack of + skills, we really saw a difference in killing ubers since we crafted one for him

I'm okay with Beast. My aim to maximize the summon levels, especially for skellies when I raise them. Then I can switch which item is best.

There is a video on YouTube where the player character necromancer summoner passes Uber. The author tells in detail, including who to raise in the company to the skeletons. But, the video is in Russian. Sterhusha Streaming channel, video from December 16, 2019.

The Summoner necromancer is my favorite character, but I'm afraid to go to the ubers. Although any location passes without problems.

Moondew wrote: 2 years ago

The Summoner necromancer is my favorite character, but I'm afraid to go to the ubers. Although any location passes without problems.

Yeah, it's a little frightening for the first time, I totally get it. But I eventually have to try and my other is a hybrid Sorc and I don't have enough time to create a smitter. So when I'm ready, I'll give it a try.

So for necro summoner, best base is

Double Axe, I guess? For his Beast, I mean

Asha wrote: 2 years ago

So for necro summoner, best base is

Double Axe, I guess? For his Beast, I mean

It is the one-handed weapon with lowest req that you can make Beast.
For necro summoner, you need only Aura from this runeword, the damage from base is not important.

If you're looking solely for stuff to switch in to maximize your initial summons then yeah, you want a "Golemlord's" amulet,

Circlet, shrunken head and

Wand.

That's +3 to summon skills each.

On the

Wand and shrunken head you then also want a +3 skill roll for your skeletons/mastery.
Good luck finding those though. They're not the most common of things.

You could get slightly higher skel. mastery with a summoning White

Wand instead but you'd lose out on +3 to the summons themselves so that's not worth it.

Arm of King Leoric is pretty much the best alternative until you find that ultimate 3/3/3/3 magic

Wand as it only leaves you at 1 skill less to summons and 1 less for mages.

Keep in mind that the number of skeletons is limited by your current skill level, not the level you had when summoning. As such, while you keep the slightly better stats, you do lose the extra skeletons as soon as you switch back to your normal gear.


Edit:
Please see the correction further down. I once again forgot about and ignored the tier requirements that effectively prevent a 3/3/3/3 from ever being possible with the skills needed here.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

If you're looking solely for stuff to switch in to maximize your initial summons then yeah, you want a "Golemlord's" amulet,

Circlet, shrunken head and

Wand.

That's +3 to summon skills each.

On the

Wand and shrunken head you then also want a +3 skill roll for your skeletons/mastery.
Good luck finding those though. They're not the most common of things.

You could get slightly higher skel. mastery with a summoning White

Wand instead but you'd lose out on +3 to the summons themselves so that's not worth it.

Arm of King Leoric is pretty much the best alternative until you find that ultimate 3/3/3/3 magic

Wand as it only leaves you at 1 skill less to summons and 1 less for mages.

Keep in mind that the number of skeletons is limited by your current skill level, not the level you had when summoning. As such, while you keep the slightly better stats, you do lose the extra skeletons as soon as you switch back to your normal gear.

Yeah, I went through the internet and that ultimate

Wand and shrunken head is a kind of Myth. I guess stick with King's arm and Spirit will do if I can get a Beast.

basicnecromancy wrote: 2 years ago

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

If you're looking solely for stuff to switch in to maximize your initial summons then yeah, you want a "Golemlord's" amulet,

Circlet, shrunken head and

Wand.

That's +3 to summon skills each.

On the

Wand and shrunken head you then also want a +3 skill roll for your skeletons/mastery.
Good luck finding those though. They're not the most common of things.

You could get slightly higher skel. mastery with a summoning White

Wand instead but you'd lose out on +3 to the summons themselves so that's not worth it.

Arm of King Leoric is pretty much the best alternative until you find that ultimate 3/3/3/3 magic

Wand as it only leaves you at 1 skill less to summons and 1 less for mages.

Keep in mind that the number of skeletons is limited by your current skill level, not the level you had when summoning. As such, while you keep the slightly better stats, you do lose the extra skeletons as soon as you switch back to your normal gear.

Yeah, I went through the internet and that ultimate

Wand and shrunken head is a kind of Myth. I guess stick with King's arm and Spirit will do if I can get a Beast.

Darkforce Spawn and

Boneflame would both give you 1 more lvl on the summons than Spirit in the interim. Just as an alternative.

Schnorki wrote: 2 years ago

If you're looking solely for stuff to switch in to maximize your initial summons then yeah, you want a "Golemlord's" amulet,

Circlet, shrunken head and

Wand.

That's +3 to summon skills each.

On the

Wand and shrunken head you then also want a +3 skill roll for your skeletons/mastery.
Good luck finding those though. They're not the most common of things.

You could get slightly higher skel. mastery with a summoning White

Wand instead but you'd lose out on +3 to the summons themselves so that's not worth it.

Arm of King Leoric is pretty much the best alternative until you find that ultimate 3/3/3/3 magic

Wand as it only leaves you at 1 skill less to summons and 1 less for mages.

Keep in mind that the number of skeletons is limited by your current skill level, not the level you had when summoning. As such, while you keep the slightly better stats, you do lose the extra skeletons as soon as you switch back to your normal gear.

Alright, gonna go ahead and correct myself here because I once again forgot about the thing I always forget about...

Since

Raise Skeleton and

Skeleton Mastery are both tier 1 skills, you can only find those on a

Wand with an item lvl of up to and including 24. +3 summoning on the other hand is a lvl 60 prefix. On a lvl 24 item, the best you can get is +1 summoning.

Because of that, contrary to what I originally stated when I once again forgot about the tier limitations, the best you can get on a magic

Wand is +4 total (+3 to specific skills, +1 to all summoning).
As a result,

Arm of King Leoric is in fact the best you can get.

Similarly, for a shrunken head, the best you can get is also +4, leaving you with 1 more as compared to

Darkforce Spawn or

Boneflame. This can be achieved either via a magic head (+3 to specific skills, +1 to all summoning) or via using a 2-socket head with +3 to the relevant skills to make Splendor with which would typically be the far better option.

min max an uber summoner is tedious, especially when it comes to use

Arm of King Leoric to raise the army, to me arm is a pure troll weapon for its

Bone Prison lock, it will just kill you at some point if you keep it armed, then you will go to raise mobs with CB... may be just dont bother to run uber with a necro, I myself run a necro, but I'm also rolling a kicksin to uber in the future, will be much quicker and straightforward

Well, the prison lock you can easily counter with Enigma. Once you have one that is.

I don't want to create another topic, so I

Revive this one: Has anyone tried to run Ubers with Necro, but merc has some slow enemy stuff like

Kelpie Snare and

Blackhorn's Face? With

Clay Golem and

Decrepify I thought it could be real safe against Meph but not tried yet.
And some findings: On maxroll I tried to build best damage output from skellies per second and what I found is somehow weird. With King's arm and Pride IG one can get the most damage output. This is not correlated with Beast argument.

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 days ago

I don't want to create another topic, so I

Revive this one: Has anyone tried to run Ubers with Necro, but merc has some slow enemy stuff like

Kelpie Snare and

Blackhorn's Face? With

Clay Golem and

Decrepify I thought it could be real safe against Meph but not tried yet.
And some findings: On maxroll I tried to build best damage output from skellies per second and what I found is somehow weird. With King's arm and Pride IG one can get the most damage output. This is not correlated with Beast argument.

Necroing a thread about necromancers? How apt!

I've done Ubers a lot on my Poison/summon hybrid necro. It can be a bit rough, but it's totally doable without being optimized. I didn't even swap out my skillers to summoning from PNB. I've done it with Decrep and

Clay Golem and slowing items on merc. I've also done it with merc using Obedience + Duress +

Guillaume's Face to maximize crushing blow while having an

Iron Golem. I didn't feel much of a difference between the two pulls, honestly. Urdars and skellies are pretty potent as it is. Meph melted in both situations.

Baal was actually the tricky bit. On a true summoner I bet this would be even more the case.

I wouldn't try a Pride though.

Iron Golem can get one shot if a boss decides to target him, and telestomping can only do so much to prevent that.

Winterkill wrote: 3 days ago

basicnecromancy wrote: 3 days ago

I don't want to create another topic, so I

Revive this one: Has anyone tried to run Ubers with Necro, but merc has some slow enemy stuff like

Kelpie Snare and

Blackhorn's Face? With

Clay Golem and

Decrepify I thought it could be real safe against Meph but not tried yet.
And some findings: On maxroll I tried to build best damage output from skellies per second and what I found is somehow weird. With King's arm and Pride IG one can get the most damage output. This is not correlated with Beast argument.

Necroing a thread about necromancers? How apt!

I've done Ubers a lot on my Poison/summon hybrid necro. It can be a bit rough, but it's totally doable without being optimized. I didn't even swap out my skillers to summoning from PNB. I've done it with Decrep and

Clay Golem and slowing items on merc. I've also done it with merc using Obedience + Duress +

Guillaume's Face to maximize crushing blow while having an

Iron Golem. I didn't feel much of a difference between the two pulls, honestly. Urdars and skellies are pretty potent as it is. Meph melted in both situations.

Baal was actually the tricky bit. On a true summoner I bet this would be even more the case.

I wouldn't try a Pride though.

Iron Golem can get one shot if a boss decides to target him, and telestomping can only do so much to prevent that.

Thanks for the answer.I don't do Ubers with my Fishymancer normally but just wondered how slow enemy items work on Ubers. And by using

Decrepify on

Baal, how is he tricky?

On my (Bone + summons as 1 point wonders) necro, when I do Ubers the real

Key is having Urdars in

River of Flame to have enough for at least 3 runs in

Uber Tristram, one per brother.

I switch on to my super light res setup (esp. HotO instead of

Boneshade), get Urdars and go. Amp damage on Meph and Diablo to quicken their Death, Decrep on

Baal to bug him out.

Usually works well enough if I can have them split using baiting and Enigma TP-ing, had to call for help only once