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I know people already starting to set up discord channels for trading like in PD2. The search function there allows to quickly search for items you need, unless you looking for rare items on which you want specific mods. What are the chances of getting something like Poetrade for D2R ? Surely someone in the community has the coding skills to get something up and running. They did it for PD2. We need something more than discord so people dont us d2jsp. I dont want to spend half of my play time struggling to make some trades like back in the old days.

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I know people already starting to set up discord channels for trading like in PD2. The search function there allows to quickly search for items you need, unless you looking for rare items on which you want specific mods. What are the chances of getting something like Poetrade for D2R ? Surely someone in the community has the coding skills to get something up and running. They did it for PD2. We need something more than discord so people dont us d2jsp. I dont want to spend half of my play time struggling to make some trades like back in the old days.

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@ReWar It's being worked on. Stay tuned.


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Stormlash wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar It's being worked on. Stay tuned.
Looking forward to it. JSP is the worst part of D2

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I agree with the previous statement that D2JSP is a poison we should all strive to extirpate from the core of Diablo 2.


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@ReWar check out the Development Roadmap for more info on what the trade section will look like.

As someone who never used d2jsp I’d like to know what is so bad about it (so that I won’t make the same mistakes). To me, as a website, it has succeeded in having 20 years of legacy and being widely known and used not just for D2 but other games as well. Therefore one has to ask why it is so unpopular with D2 players themselves?


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@Teebling it would be cool if we could somewhat get the trade filter sorted by price. at least at some basic level. like if price are in runes/gems you could sort by quality or quantity.

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Udyret wrote: 3 weeks ago
@Teebling it would be cool if we could somewhat get the trade filter sorted by price. at least at some basic level. like if price are in runes/gems you could sort by quality or quantity.
You'll be able to filter by item type (including gems etc.) just as you would the items sections, so that's already there.


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@Teebling D2JSP is cancer. It ruins the Economy. It ruins the game. It ruins the FUN. People trade items for Forum Gold and buy them the same way. Having the option to buy Forum Gold with real money doesn't help either. It ruins the Trade System, the Economy and how the game was meant to be played since Day 1 on Ladder resets. By the end of the first day of a new Ladder, you can have a fully geared character just by buying everything with the Forum Gold you "farmed" from the last Ladder. This is retarded, it's P2W and needs to go way.


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Additionally, NJaguar is a known scammer and there are many testimonies online of individuals losing both tons of FG and real life money to this person. One day he just shuts down your account and steals all your money for absolutely no reasons at all.

I have been active on D2JSP when I was younger and it is a toxic, unfriendly and untrustworthy environment.


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Teebling wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar check out the Development Roadmap for more info on what the trade section will look like.

As someone who never used d2jsp I’d like to know what is so bad about it (so that I won’t make the same mistakes). To me, as a website, it has succeeded in having 20 years of legacy and being widely known and used not just for D2 but other games as well. Therefore one has to ask why it is so unpopular with D2 players themselves?
The core of d2jsp or i should say the main guys part of that community are people who are using bots, map hacks. They have been doing it for the last 15--20 years. They are running a lot the websites selling items for real $$. The bot ban waves usually take out 1/3 of their bot numbers and they are not often enough so going back and buying more keys is still profitable.
I find if funny that after so long they didnt bother upgrading the website, the design, the look of it, it looks like a 90s website.

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ReWar wrote: 3 weeks ago
Teebling wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar check out the Development Roadmap for more info on what the trade section will look like.

As someone who never used d2jsp I’d like to know what is so bad about it (so that I won’t make the same mistakes). To me, as a website, it has succeeded in having 20 years of legacy and being widely known and used not just for D2 but other games as well. Therefore one has to ask why it is so unpopular with D2 players themselves?
The core of d2jsp or i should say the main guys part of that community are people who are using bots, map hacks. They have been doing it for the last 15--20 years. They are running a lot the websites selling items for real $$. The bot ban waves usually take out 1/3 of their bot numbers and they are not often enough so going back and buying more keys is still profitable.
I find if funny that after so long they didnt bother upgrading the website, the design, the look of it, it looks like a 90s website.
As a returning player I took one look at that site and NOPED the f out.


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Very wise decision, it is inhospitable to say the least, I hate that website very deeply.


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Cooley put up a video about it

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Way back in the early days on Battle.net there was a website called CC-Comp where we would trade items through a forum there. Eventually this turned into JSP when Paul programmed his bots and got them up and running.

I know at one point Blizzard tried to buy d2JSP, but with how much money was coming in, Paul decided not to sell.

It totally hamstrung the community in-game and forced people onto the forums because no one would trade SOJs for items anymore. Those were the common currency for quite some time on USEast and USWest. Eventually high runes took over, and then finally, forum gold became the end-all be-all.

I'd love for there to be a trading forum here, but I am equally as excited for the channels in-game to come alive again. As long as it is kept to bartering for rushes or direct item trades, it would do well. Unfortunately I think D2JSP has such a stranglehold on the market, that it will still be all-too-common to see items being sold for FG.

Hopefully Blizzard can monitor in-game trading a bit and stymie it.

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ReWar wrote: 2 weeks ago
Cooley put up a video about it
Seems like he deleted it. I feel like his channel (and others) would be more impressive if they didnt use d2jsp for trading. Love his videos though.

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rogfish wrote: 2 weeks ago
ReWar wrote: 2 weeks ago
Cooley put up a video about it
Seems like he deleted it. I feel like his channel (and others) would be more impressive if they didnt use d2jsp for trading. Love his videos though.
I watched it, idk why he took it down but he posted a new edited one this morning.


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Teebling wrote: 3 weeks ago
Udyret wrote: 3 weeks ago
@Teebling it would be cool if we could somewhat get the trade filter sorted by price. at least at some basic level. like if price are in runes/gems you could sort by quality or quantity.
You'll be able to filter by item type (including gems etc.) just as you would the items sections, so that's already there.
Are there any safe to use programs that we could use for easily copying all the item stats by holding our cursor over an item? Would make it easier to paste the item we have for trade into the forums (or system your working on). I faintly remember using something like this many years ago but I'm not sure if it was D2.

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i got no idea about any programs like that. but i hope that we will also have some more functions to ease trading in game. so people don't really have to go to websites for trading. they did add item linking in the chat. that's pretty useful.

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@Udyret Do you think being able to cross progress will have any impact on items?


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i don't know @CitationNumber. will we have cross progress on b.net or is it just for single player? i can't recall seeing any info on this.

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Udyret wrote: 2 weeks ago
i don't know @CitationNumber. will we have cross progress on b.net or is it just for single player? i can't recall seeing any info on this.
The only thing I read was that it was planned. I could see it being bnet if our characters are saved on their server. I could see single player being local, or server saved.


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rogfish wrote: 2 weeks ago
Teebling wrote: 3 weeks ago
Udyret wrote: 3 weeks ago
@Teebling it would be cool if we could somewhat get the trade filter sorted by price. at least at some basic level. like if price are in runes/gems you could sort by quality or quantity.
You'll be able to filter by item type (including gems etc.) just as you would the items sections, so that's already there.
Are there any safe to use programs that we could use for easily copying all the item stats by holding our cursor over an item? Would make it easier to paste the item we have for trade into the forums (or system your working on). I faintly remember using something like this many years ago but I'm not sure if it was D2.
I guess the easiest way would be to screenshot the item’s tooltip in game and add that to the trade ad here. That way it would pick up the particular stats for that item that you possess rather than the generic stats we have listed here.


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do you guys think it's possible that the class meta will sway some from sorceress for console players. maybe some classes are just more fun to play on consoles? and if that's the case maybe items for those classes will be in higher demand then usual.

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Udyret wrote: 2 weeks ago
do you guys think it's possible that the class meta will sway some from sorceress for console players. maybe some classes are just more fun to play on consoles? and if that's the case maybe items for those classes will be in higher demand then usual.
This is a really good point. I would think so, although from some streamers who tried controller on pc have said it felt really good for both ranged and melee.

Even though for now all we have here are mostly pc players the console players will be plentiful.

I hear melee items are expensive, I would think those pieces will be more in demand? Console = melee amirite. Im still going to Java.


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Teebling wrote: 2 weeks ago
rogfish wrote: 2 weeks ago
Teebling wrote: 3 weeks ago
Udyret wrote: 3 weeks ago
@Teebling it would be cool if we could somewhat get the trade filter sorted by price. at least at some basic level. like if price are in runes/gems you could sort by quality or quantity.
You'll be able to filter by item type (including gems etc.) just as you would the items sections, so that's already there.
Are there any safe to use programs that we could use for easily copying all the item stats by holding our cursor over an item? Would make it easier to paste the item we have for trade into the forums (or system your working on). I faintly remember using something like this many years ago but I'm not sure if it was D2.
I guess the easiest way would be to screenshot the item’s tooltip in game and add that to the trade ad here. That way it would pick up the particular stats for that item that you possess rather than the generic stats we have listed here.
I think there might be some way to do it with autohotkey.

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Udyret wrote: 2 weeks ago
do you guys think it's possible that the class meta will sway some from sorceress for console players. maybe some classes are just more fun to play on consoles? and if that's the case maybe items for those classes will be in higher demand then usual.
Whirlwind barb to make its glorious return. Gone are the days of pitzerkers! It's spinny boy time!

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Stormlash wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar It's being worked on. Stay tuned.
This is amazing to hear. Please let us know if there is anyway we can help, I'm sending as many people here as I can. D2jsp is the worst thing to happen to d2, it's a p2w site at best. Yes we needed a better option for trading in d2, hell no we didn't need it to circulate around forum gold that can be bought with real money.

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Wattzson wrote: 2 weeks ago
Stormlash wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar It's being worked on. Stay tuned.
This is amazing to hear. Please let us know if there is anyway we can help, I'm sending as many people here as I can. D2jsp is the worst thing to happen to d2, it's a p2w site at best. Yes we needed a better option for trading in d2, hell no we didn't need it to circulate around forum gold that can be bought with real money.
I agree! I wouldnt have anything against the idea of forum gold if: You could not buy it with real money and it got reset every ladder. The transfer of Wealth between ladders is so sad.
Edit: Cant wait to see what trading is going to be like on this site. So hyped

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Wattzson wrote: 2 weeks ago
Stormlash wrote: 3 weeks ago
@ReWar It's being worked on. Stay tuned.
This is amazing to hear. Please let us know if there is anyway we can help, I'm sending as many people here as I can.
Well this is actually the most helpful thing you guys can do at the moment - get the word out about the site if you like it, and try to get people registering accounts here. The marketplace concept I have planned relies on there being plenty of people buying and selling. So if you haven't already done so guys, do let your friends know about diablo2.io - hoping that google rankings will rise as the site is slowly crawled (I think that about 500 items aren't even indexed yet) and future feature releases will bring in more players... but there's only so much I can do on my own!


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The core of d2jsp or i should say the main guys part of that community are people who are using bots, map hacks. They have been doing it for the last 15--20 years. They are running a lot the websites selling items for real $$. The bot ban waves usually take out 1/3 of their bot numbers and they are not often enough so going back and buying more keys is still profitable.
I find if funny that after so long they didnt bother upgrading the website, the design, the look of it, it looks like a 90s website.
And the worst part is: Blizzard is making money out of it because they still sell keys to the bots.
And thus makes it even more ridiculous. Why not run a ban wave every day? Computing Power cant be an issue.
Its because Blizzard makes money with selling keys.
And therefore im really, really afraid that it's going to happen to d2r again.

Back in the days there were bot hunting guilds. But they got outnumbered by bots...


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The easiest way mechanically to make this work is image based. @Teebling you asked about what are some of D2JSP's features and that is one of the major adjustments they rolled out was a drag and drop auto imgur style function.

What I am getting at here is a way where whether through our own paint or using programs like Gyazo do do gif creations figuring out some element that would make visuals easy and seamless.

Take some of Laz's program for example and his new affix calc: https://tools.harrogath.com/affixcalc.html

While yes it is tedious and manual, the idea is that you can either self create your image and URL per item. The above was just purely a micro example of possible options to deliberate how it could properly function.


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Got it good to know @Teebling . To your point, you could just keep a custom URL of your active stock and just have folks reference it in the trading forums.


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As for d2Jsp, the best way to get rid of it is when blizzard starts banning all the bots. People are selling there like crazy because they hoard items on mutiple accounts pretty easily.
People will always be willing to pay a few bucks to get their charaters decked out. Its not something we can get rid off.
As for a trading website, i dont know if there will be some way to get the code from items. For poe.trade there is an option in PoE to list items onto the public. Poe.trade just extracts it from there. D2 doenst has suchs funtion originally. So you either have people manually sellect al the stats on an item or maybe make a screenshot of it. Which could be a little hassle for players. On D2jsp most items are listed as plain text.
I dont know if there is any other game out there whete this kind of trading is done. Maybe someone else knows this.

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