Amazon Infinity self use

Hello everyone,

Im thinking about building a self use Infinity zon but i dont know what base to choose for infi between

Mancatcher and matriarcal / ceremonial spears.

Is anyone already experienced this type of build ? Is zon specific spears too low ? Thx in advanced for opinions

i'd do it in a

Mancatcher so if u don't like it u can give it to your merc

also, evertyhing will die pdq...

I've done it, no regrets. Don't bother with a

Mancatcher, go with a Zon

Spear. It's worth fully committing.

If u plan to use Insight Act2 merc or Plague Act 5 then

Mancatcher because it's around 20% faster then

Matriarchal Spear and this IAS diff outperforms +3 skiller on java spears.

If u have Faith Act1 merc then

Matriarchal Spear because you will reach max Matriarhal

Spear IAS breakpoint even with the worst Fanatism roll on Faith.

Not necessarily.

Depending on how you go about your gear, even without fana, you will often have an attack speed difference of 1 frame between the two at which point a +3 matri

Spear may well still just barely outperform a

Mancatcher.
('Barely' meaning it is so close that you may as well call it identical but mathematically, the matri does win in multiple setups)

With fana...yeah, matri is a clear winner, seeing how you'll end up with the same attack speed more likely than not and matri wins basically everything else.

I've made this build twice, the first time offline and the second time online

Offline I used a

Mancatcher, because I was making my very first Infinity, so I wanted it to be as multi-purpose as possible and I also wanted my spearzon to hit the fastest attack breakpoint without a Faith merc

I liked it so much, I made the build again several months later on ladder. This time, I fully committed with a mat

Spear, and eventually also made Faith, Enigma, etc.

As @schnorki says, even without Faith, a mat

Spear at 10 frames has similar dps to a

Mancatcher at 9 frames. So if I ever make this build a third time, I will pick a mat

Spear again!

How is this different then a thunder stroke build? Even with my jav I poke half the time. Would you use different skill?

xigua wrote: 10 months ago

How is this different then a thunder stroke build? Even with my jav I poke half the time. Would you use different skill?

The difference is that Infinity has a massive -(45-55)% to enemy lightning resistance built-in (which you don’t get to take advantage of when it’s on your merc), and that since you’re wielding it yourself the

Conviction aura stays with you at all times (as opposed to on a dumb merc AI).

I’ve never seen dclone melt so fast as with a fully geared spearzon you won’t believe it ‘til you see it

I have one with

Matriarchal Spear and Faith on act 1 Merc and man, she hits like a truck. I respeced from Javazon which I really don't like and never regret.

I assume this is different then an

Impale zon as you mainly do DMG via lightning? Wouldn't it be best then to simply use a +3 skill base version of mat

Spear?

xigua wrote: 10 months ago

I assume this is different then an

Impale zon as you mainly do DMG via lightning?

Yes, you only do damage via lightning, pretty much. You use

Lightning Strike vs packs (releases

Chain Lightning) and

Charged Strike vs bosses (same as a Javazon).

xigua wrote: 10 months ago

Wouldn't it be best then to simply use a +3 skill base version of mat

Spear?

Yes, that's the general consensus if you read the discussion above.

no i actually meant

Maiden Spear - or doesn't that spawn with +3 ?

Thx everyone for feed-back you seem all happy and no regrets with this build no matter what base is so i will build it with items that I have. Atm with +3

Ceremonial Spear + triple aura A2 merc

Just checked my offline Infinity spearazon. I made her Infinity in a +3

Matriarchal Spear. Right now i think she is the best melee character in the game, farms everywhere on P8 easily, but doesn’t feel so overpowered it’s not fun anymore.

Even though 99.9% of the damage is from the +skills and -en lightning resistance, I’d still recommend one of the elite bases.

Nikanu wrote: 10 months ago

triple aura A2 merc

I think you can't get more than 2 auras on the merc (if you try 3+ the extra auras will no work...)

Mod edit : Nope, this isn't true, check other thread.

I meant Insight+Cure+

Prayer

Arf just look my stuff and all ive for is a

Ceremonial Pike which are lower than spears ill farm and/or look for aborder one