D2jsp isnt the issue, botters are… we know how bliz handles bots
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Assuming someone wants to bot, just because the person is against bots?flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago You guys are using d2jsp and you are saying that bots are dropping prices. People who use bots spend their money on powerful PCs, internet and electricity. I think this is just whining, because you yourself can not figure out how to use these bots. What is the payback of these bots in the end when the prices are so low? All of you who start the season farm and sell in order to get as much profit as possible on d2jsp and nothing else. And as a trader, I understand you. But as a buyer, I am absolutely on the side of the bots. I provide services, and my capital increases every time with falling prices. Do you think the whole world is limited only to those who know how to trade? Believe it or not, there are a lot of lazy people out there who don't use trade sites. In our modern world, few people think with their heads, unfortunately. Ordinary players, not you traders, win when prices fall. So let's not talk about fairness when traders have a lot of capital, and ordinary players spend hours farming in search of what they need.
For those of you who think P2W is unfair, don't you feel like you're wasting your life playing a PC game? Isn't the goal of the game to collect as many perfect gear as possible and try out different playing techniques? Do you have no real life or run out of other interesting games that you would like to try? Or maybe one of you can share the secret of immortality so that I can safely play the next 100 years in D2R? Estimate the time you spend on the game and the value of the equipment you have obtained, as well as the money earned in real life during the same time, and draw conclusions. You want to somehow punish the botters, but what, there are no other problems in our world? My country has been waging a bloody war since 2014. Kills and imprisons those of us who do not agree with the regime. Oh, brave new world... There will never be justice in this world.
Is Blizzard fixing any issues with the game? Introduces some unique content? They make money from us like any other corporation. The game will not die as long as there are interested players in it. The original D2 is still played and traded to this day.
The fairest mode would have been SSF if Blizzard had introduced it in the first place. With the possibility of converting to non-SSF at any time and fixing the record in the table, and with Conversion to non-SSF after the end of the season. But Blizzard wanted to spit on all of you and will continue to wipe their feet on you.
Both are. JSP originates from bots, but without them it'd be "only" a black market site, with legitly collected loot, but still being sold for real money - AKA P2W.
LOL. Do you really think that running D2 is like running a bitcoin miner (which is yet another scam)?flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago You guys are using d2jsp and you are saying that bots are dropping prices. People who use bots spend their money on powerful PCs, internet and electricity.
100% agreed. Each subsequent D2 ladder brought less new content, with the last one bringing nothing.flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago The fairest mode would have been SSF if Blizzard had introduced it in the first place. With the possibility of converting to non-SSF at any time and fixing the record in the table, and with Conversion to non-SSF after the end of the season. But Blizzard wanted to spit on all of you and will continue to wipe their feet on you.
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Is Blizzard fixing any issues with the game? Introduces some unique content?
Yes, by bots and maybe a small fraction of its former players. Most of the players don't play (seriously) anymore because what is the point in competing with so many bots? Some return because of nostalgia, but the game is nowhere as popular as it used to be.flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago Is Blizzard fixing any issues with the game? Introduces some unique content? They make money from us like any other corporation. The game will not die as long as there are interested players in it. The original D2 is still played and traded to this day.
Yeah, there are different parts of the game fun for different people. I have already played through the story and the campaign multiple times with different characters. I no longer get enjoyment from that part of the game very often. I've already had the journey, now I want to enjoy the fun at the end of the rainbow. Once every few years or so I'll go back and play through normal slowly again and refamiliarize myself with the story. But more often than not, I want to do some efficient farming to try and complete my grail (9 items left) or I want to try out new builds and see how they play or I just want to kill a bunch of stuff with a character that kills fast. I tried a number of builds over the years and I've found different levels of enjoyment with them, but more often than not, I enjoy them more when I can really gear them out and max out their resistance so I can try farming whatever the Terror zone happens to be or what feels fun in the moment. Sunders have made this a lot more fun for me by enabling me to play most characters in most areas if I feel like doing so. Some people find more joy in dueling, some like the journey, and some like to see the destination. To each their own right?ALLEyezOnMe wrote: 1 year agoWhy do you reckon everyone shares your point of view on what's considered fun?Trang Oul wrote: 1 year agoWhat is the point of further gameplay if you already have endgame builds with the most expensive BiS items? "Fun" killing everything with one shot? There is an easier way, not harming the other players: just play SP and cheat with hero editor. Even streamers cheat in SP to try builds before playing them online.WrathofMagus wrote: 1 year agoOn the upside, with everything so cheap now, even people who don't play very much can try out far more powerful builds for a lot less than it would have cost before, making it more accessible to those who have less free time.
If I didn't end up falling into jsp when I did, I would have already dropped the game a long time ago as the amount of good gear that I could find on my own was tiny and I was getting bored. Now that I have the option to play a bunch of different builds and a bunch of different characters, I can happily play more casually and not have to farm constantly just to get enough Wealth just to try things out.
As D2 has no proper endgame, it is the journey that matters, not the destination.
I, for one, don't care about the journey at all. I haven't properly gone through the game since the D2 Classic days. I couldn't care less about questing, beating the difficulties as one is "supposed to" or progressively upgrading my items as I play. To me, fun is getting all BiS items, amassing hundreds of HRs for no particular reason and playing once in a blue moon. Does this make sense? To me it does.
In Single Player I won't be able to play with my friends, so here is one reason to be playing online.
#BotLivesMatterflamebellow wrote: 1 year ago What's wrong with these bots? Is it bad when people can make runewords cheap and fast?
Items that have been received that way bring no joy. If you may buy everything for a day, whats the goal to play?flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago Blah blah blah. Everything in this world is interconnected. Think wider. I see this talk about d2jsp and bots since the original D2. Buy 12000fg for $100, buy yourself x600 Ber and be happy. You will never hold bot growers accountable, that's Blizzard's job. You will never get justice in this world. Business is to buy low and sell high. Humble yourself, wipe your tears and move on.
What are you talking about? Look at prices for some skillers or charms, or perfect Annihilus or torches. How many years will you farm runes?Morder07 wrote: 1 year agoItems that have been received that way bring no joy. If you may buy everything for a day, whats the goal to play?flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago Blah blah blah. Everything in this world is interconnected. Think wider. I see this talk about d2jsp and bots since the original D2. Buy 12000fg for $100, buy yourself x600 Ber and be happy. You will never hold bot growers accountable, that's Blizzard's job. You will never get justice in this world. Business is to buy low and sell high. Humble yourself, wipe your tears and move on.
Seen a few of your posts on the forum lately that have been pro-RMT.flamebellow wrote: 1 year agoWhat are you talking about? Look at prices for some skillers or charms, or perfect Annihilus or torches. How many years will you farm runes?Morder07 wrote: 1 year agoItems that have been received that way bring no joy. If you may buy everything for a day, whats the goal to play?flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago Blah blah blah. Everything in this world is interconnected. Think wider. I see this talk about d2jsp and bots since the original D2. Buy 12000fg for $100, buy yourself x600 Ber and be happy. You will never hold bot growers accountable, that's Blizzard's job. You will never get justice in this world. Business is to buy low and sell high. Humble yourself, wipe your tears and move on.
There are too many variables in our life that we cannot take into account and calculate. By studying the market, I can say that the endgame stuff even went up in price to correct the fall in rune prices. Especially rare stuff with perfect rolls. I am against RMT, but the developers did not provide any protection mechanisms. At the same time, if not to take my words out of context, regarding the whole topic, I encourage people to think about the part of their real life spent on the game. If you earn more in real life, then you can safely buy some runes, instead of farming for hours and trading with players who buy runes for real money.Teebling wrote: 1 year agoSeen a few of your posts on the forum lately that have been pro-RMT.flamebellow wrote: 1 year agoWhat are you talking about? Look at prices for some skillers or charms, or perfect Annihilus or torches. How many years will you farm runes?Morder07 wrote: 1 year ago
Items that have been received that way bring no joy. If you may buy everything for a day, whats the goal to play?
Usually your argument is 'why farm in-game when you can just buy FG or direct buy an item, it is faster'. I don't think anyone is disputing that RMT-ing items is faster - we all know that it is faster.
The person you were responding to is talking about how enjoyable the self-found/item traded playstyle is for them - not how fast it is.
You are making a strawman argument. A strawman argument is when someone counters by defending a separate topic to the one that was being discussed.
That's all I have to add really besides the obvious which is that each person enjoys the game in different ways.
PS The original topic by OP was about how the economy is in a bad shape right now, and that botters are probably to blame. Do you disagree with that?
Once again, you're making a strawman argument.flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago At the same time, if not to take my words out of context, regarding the whole topic, I encourage people to think about the part of their real life spent on the game. If you earn more in real life, then you can safely buy some runes, instead of farming for hours and trading with players who buy runes for real money.
This is the choice of each individual person what to spend their time on.. I mean that the person who writes to me has read all the messages and replies globally. I think I'm wasting my time again. Isn't it a strange question to ask me if people won't get bored playing when they get the runes quickly? This is a rhetorical question to which there is no answer. Those who are tired have already achieved what they wanted in the game and left. Some left the game because they couldn't try out the builds they wanted, but couldn't farm the resources they needed. Those who have some targets remained in the game. For those who need perfect things, will play on. Here is my vague answer to a specific question. But this is a boring question, not a global one.Teebling wrote: 1 year agoOnce again, you're making a strawman argument.flamebellow wrote: 1 year ago At the same time, if not to take my words out of context, regarding the whole topic, I encourage people to think about the part of their real life spent on the game. If you earn more in real life, then you can safely buy some runes, instead of farming for hours and trading with players who buy runes for real money.
No-one is arguing with you that it isn't faster to buy runes with real money. They're just saying it's less fun for them.
For you it is more fun to buy the items, np. Just don't go around antagonising people saying 'but its more efficient!' when they've just said it's more fun for them to take the inefficient path of progression.
My thought is not so much about the wallet, but about things with different characteristics. And the more of them, the less chance to find the perfect item. As you research different builds and look at prices for the best items, think about how much you need to farm to get them. If you don’t have a goal to collect the most perfect equipment, try all the characters and different builds, then you might be bored.SnowSnow wrote: 1 year ago If I'll buy the runes and I'll build everything in 3 days then I'll leave the game for sure after 10 days tops. Because there is no more fun. If you like to have fun with the wallet, well, it's your choice.![]()
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