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Why do Perfect Skull are more valuable them generic Perfect Gems on trades?

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Coldn't find Reddit post but in this topic at the very end of first page I found the same pic.

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Schnorki 3134Moderator

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basicnecromancy wrote: 2 months ago
fredkid wrote: 2 months ago
basicnecromancy wrote: 2 months ago
There's another niche case to use PSkulls for rerolling: To get a summoner rare shrnken head. It's a little bit complicated but basicaly you level a char till lvl 11. Use a high level head as imbue quest. Then reroll it with PSkulls. By this way, you can get theoretically +2 necro skills +3
Raise Skeleton
and +3
Skeleton Mastery
.

I mean, theoretically. I saw an item obtained by this method on Reddit close to this but it i really a long shot and I'm not sure if it is worth.
The problem with reroll anything other that a
Diadem
, is that the item ilvl will decrease on each try ... and you need a LOT of tries to get something good....
Diadem
because of the
Magic level: 18 + Quality level: 85
will always be able to roll all affixes with this formula no matter how many times you re-roll and no matter your Character level
(even
Tiara
was not able to do the same)

But with you want lower level affixes, you can re-roll itens with a Quality level + Magic level equal to what you want.
In the case of a Head with +2 to skill you need Quality level + Magic level= 50+
Hierophant Trophy
and any elite Head will be enough (even with a 1 Level character)

(don't understand why level 11 is required on your tip... Quality level + Magic level is a "min effective ilvl", it is not added with other levels, if "resulting ilvl" would be lower than that number that number is used instead.)
I'm not really goodat this stuff but here's exactly where I learned that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... &context=3
Haven't dealt with this in ages but if I recall correctly, the process effectively abuses what may or may not be considered a bug in ilvl-dropping in that the ilvl drops (via the skulls recipe) but an item's qlvl (which typically starts out the same upon item drop) can't drop below the item's base qlvl.

To get a 5/5 head, you need an affix level high enough to get +2 summon skills (40) or better yet +2 necro (50).

Since alvl is effectively based on qlvl rather than ilvl after ilvl has been dropped (simplifying the whole process a bit), you can figure out the minimum qlvl you need to roll +2 summon/necro based on the affix level which (skipping the math) leaves you with a minimum qlvl of 70 for +2 summon or 75 for +2 necro (again assuming I'm remembering this all correctly ^^).

If you then look at the various necro heads available, only two actually come with a qlvl of 70+ (and 75+ actually, same choices):
Succubus Skull

Bloodlord Skull


The minimum qlvl is why you need to start the whole process with a "high level shrunken head" (i.e. one of the two above).

Now, you take one of those heads and if it happened to drop rare, great. If not, imbue it. Basically, you need a starting rare head with a high enough qlvl to get +2 summon/necro on it. At this point, you will generally not get +3
Raise Skeleton
/mastery yet (see imbue note below for the exception).

That's because in order to get
Raise Skeleton
/
Skeleton Mastery
, you need an ilvl that is low enough to roll tier 1 staffmods which is lvl 24 or less if I recall correctly.
Or better yet, ilvl 11 or lower so as to not only make those mods possible but to also maximize your odds of getting them.

In order to achieve that, you have to drop the ilvl of the head by rolling it with the p.skulls recipe. You do that on a lvl 1 char in order to drop the ilvl as fast as possible. In either case (
Succubus
or bloodlord, regardless of source lvl), the first reroll will still leave you with an item lvl too high to roll tier 1 mods. The second reroll will be able to roll +5/5. And the third reroll and any subsequent ones will be low enough to maximize your odds at t1 mods as well.

You can skip the first couple of rerolls and go directly to maximizing your odds by starting with a White head and imbuing it with a lvl 7 or lower char. That'll give you an ilvl of 11 (or less if char <7) on your starting rare, meaning you immediately start with max odds for your t1 mods.

With or without the imbue, you can just keep rerolling after you hit those max odds but make sure to never do so on a char higher than 18 as that's when you start actually raising the ilvl above max odds again.

TL;DR:
- Been ages so take my Memory with a grain of salt :P also never tested myself in D2:R
- Find a White or rare
Bloodlord Skull
or
Succubus Skull

- If White, imbue with a lvl 7 or lower char
- If rare, reroll with p. skulls recipe on a lvl 1 char 3 times (unless you get lucky and end up with 5/5 on try #2 of course)
- Keep rerolling with p. skulls recipe until you get your 5/5, making sure to only do so on a char that is lvl 18 or lower
[to be on the safe side, just do everything on a lvl 1]
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Schnorki 3134Moderator

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fredkid wrote: 2 months ago
basicnecromancy wrote: 2 months ago

I'm not really goodat this stuff but here's exactly where I learned that:
https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo2/commen ... &context=3
From what i understand that "trick" will not work...

It you reroll a item with quality level + magic livel = 50.
The result will be the "same" for any charcater on level 50 or below (even if use the cube to set the ilvl of the item to 1)


Cam someone confirm this?

Magic lvl ties into alvl but is specific to circs, staves, orbs and wands I believe it was. Not heads. So ignore that here.
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And just because curiosity needs to be satisfied and ancient knowledge re-confirmed post-D2:R...went ahead and did that :)
Yes, this still works. Sure as hell not gonna blow hours to get a 5/5 specifically but the concept still holds, allowing for +2 necro and tier 1 skills (here
Bone Armor
) to roll on the same item:
The exact skill, number of skills and skill levels are then simply random and a matter of luck.
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This kind of stuff makes this cool game even cooler for me. Thanks. :D

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1 - I said Magic Level + Quality level as a general rule. Many itens have no magic level (like heads)

2 - According what is told on the
Diadem
links in the 1st page of the thread the quality level is applied after the 0.4 multiplicator:

The formula is something like:

"Item level" = 4 * "item level" + 4 * "character level"
(For cube formula)

"Item level" = "character level" / "monster level"
(For imbue/drop)

"Affix level" = max("item level", "quality level") + "magic level"

That's why
Diadem
awalys have at least 103 "affix level" (with inbue/drop or cube formula)

So you just need a Head with "quality level" 50 not 75 to get +2 to Necro Skills πŸ˜‰

3 - Maybe the +x to specific skill are based on the "item level" and not "affix level" thats why you could end up with a L50+ affix and a L23- +x to skill πŸ€”
(But it certainly follow some different rule 😝)

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Schnorki 3134Moderator

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Well..no. Simply put, your formulas are (quite) off.
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Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago
Well..no. Simply put, your formulas are (quite) off.
πŸ€” Is what
Diadem
page here says..
And @ShadowHeart said same in this thread:
ShadowHeart wrote: 5 months ago
fredkid wrote: 5 months ago
You will need a
Diadem
with "base item level" = 180 - "your level"
(180 * .4 + 18 = 90)
You are forgetting the qLvl (quality level). Each item has a quality level that is predetermined (based on the item type) and it doesn't matter where it dropped or what you do with the item. If an item has a qLvl higher than its iLvl then the possible affixes are determined based on its qLvl instead of the iLvl. And since
Diadem
has a qLvl 85 and a magic level bonus of +18, all Diadems can have any affix regardless of its iLvl. Even if a
Diadem
's iLvl is 1, all affixes are still possible due to the high qLvl on it and the magic level bonus (the affix level will be 85+18 = 103).

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He's talking about a different thing. Or rather, the same thing in a different context. And actually slightly incomplete. :)
(In that context, the alvl will be capped back down)

But in the context of the discussion here and your questioning of the "trick", referring to heads, it very much matters that there is no magic level as that changes how all of that behaves. The alvl isn't a flat add anymore, it becomes (in this particular context - there is a 3rd case just to make things more confusing) 2*qlvl-99. So if you only had a qlvl of 50 (which would suffice if you got to use the magic lvl route), you'd get 2*50-99=1 which is nowhere near what you need as an alvl.
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Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago
2*qlvl-99.
Do you mean that the step 4 here (https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/i ... tems.shtml), which I thought was applied only for crafted items, in reality applys to any item?
The basis for the calculation of the affix level is the item level. The ilvl of a Crafted Item is equal to half the level of the crafting character (rounded down) plus half the ilvl of the input item (rounded down). Put another way:
(1) ilvl = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * ilvl)

The ilvl calculated in (1) has to undergo two checks and possible modifications. First, ilvl is capped at 99:
(2) if ilvl > 99 then ilvl = 99

Then qlvl and ilvl are compared. The higher number is used for further calculations:
(3) if qlvl > ilvl then ilvl = qlvl

The final step is to determine the affix level. If the ilvl is smaller than 99 – int(qlvl/2) then the affix level is ilvl – int(qlvl/2). Otherwise the affix level is ilvl*2 – 99:
(4) if ilvl < (99 – int(qlvl/2)= then affix level = ilvl - int(qlvl/2) else affix level = ilvl * 2 - 99.
In this case (considering alway ilvl < qlvl)

qlvl 50 -> afvl 25

qlvl 75 -> aflv 50

qlvl 85 + mavl 18 (
Diadem
) -> afvl 107 (if mavl is applid before the formula) or afvl 89 if mavl is applied after the formula)
If this formula is alway applied, I think malv is applied before it (or else you couldn't always get all affix with a rerolled/imbue
Diadem
)

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fredkid wrote: 2 months ago
..
Do you mean that the step 4 here (https://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/i ... tems.shtml), which I thought was applied only for crafted items, in reality applys to any item?
..
Again: No magic level is the important piece.
fredkid wrote: 2 months ago
...
qlvl 50 -> afvl 25

qlvl 75 -> aflv 50

qlvl 85 + mavl 18 (
Diadem
) -> afvl 107 (if mavl is applid before the formula) or afvl 89 if mavl is applied after the formula)
If this formula is alway applied, I think malv is applied before it (or else you couldn't always get all affix with a rerolled/imbue
Diadem
)
...
Ignoring a potentially higher ilvl, given the context:
50: 50-floor(50/2) = 25, yes
75: 75*2-99 = 51, not 50
85
Diadem
: 85 + 18 = 103, not 107 (then capped back down to 99)

lvl 66 is when the check doesn't spit out < anymore and where you hence switch from ilvl - int(qlvl/2) to ilvl * 2 - 99
if you have a magic level > 0, neither applies and you simply get ilvl + mlvl
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fredkid wrote: 2 months ago
qlvl 75 -> aflv 50
Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago
75: 75*2-99 = 51, not 50
Calculated right... wrote wrong... πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈπŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ

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Schnorki wrote: 2 months ago
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lvl 66 is when the check doesn't spit out < anymore and where you hence switch from ilvl - int(qlvl/2) to ilvl * 2 - 99
if you have a magic level > 0, neither applies and you simply get ilvl + mlvl

Now the rule is clear πŸ‘πŸ‘Š

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Adding to the OP's idea for this thread, what are all the
Hel
runes for? It seems like there is unending demand for them. Just re-rolls?
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departure wrote: 2 months ago
Adding to the OP's idea for this thread, what are all the
Hel
runes for? It seems like there is unending demand for them. Just re-rolls?
I asked this on other thread, and nobody said anything other then re-roll...

forums/why-do-some-runes-have-much-more ... 42407.html

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It's like 98% re-rolls and then the occasional BOTD and Death rolls.

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departure wrote: 2 months ago
Adding to the OP's idea for this thread, what are all the
Hel
runes for? It seems like there is unending demand for them. Just re-rolls?
Pretty much just rerolls. I had to reroll like 30 times to get a 35fcr Spirit
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Dromar186 wrote: 2 months ago
departure wrote: 2 months ago
Adding to the OP's idea for this thread, what are all the
Hel
runes for? It seems like there is unending demand for them. Just re-rolls?
Pretty much just rerolls. I had to reroll like 30 times to get a 35fcr Spirit
And they do have a value, you can grab 1
Ist
for 5
Hel
so I wouldn't ignore them when they pop out from a chest!
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